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Post by Nick on Jul 2, 2020 13:47:51 GMT
I saw on Steam that you were absolutely shitting on everyone, but I didn't think it was to that extent!
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 2, 2020 14:23:31 GMT
I saw on Steam that you were absolutely shitting on everyone, but I didn't think it was to that extent! I really don't know how sustainable it is, players are starting to want to leave for bigger clubs, our best player is off to Porto next month for a measly 195k (50% sell on though, ofc) and our finances are dwindling massively, but until then we look absolutely unstoppable and no team has even come close to putting us under any sort of pressure. It's crazy.
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Post by jawzy on Jul 2, 2020 16:12:41 GMT
think I must have sangue blu thai db as the thai db I have is: with no match squad rules
Also has 5 tiers too
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 2, 2020 16:25:30 GMT
think I must have sangue blu thai db as the thai db I have is: with no match squad rules
Also has 5 tiers too Yeah, there seems to be some really conflicting info surrounding foreign player limits in the country. This one has the 5 tiers also. The 3+1+3 rule seems to be the most common one i can find reference to, however the Muangthong Utd website makes mention of a 5 foreigner limit, working in a 3+1+1 structure, but there's no date, so that might've been an older note.
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Post by hokster on Jul 2, 2020 17:31:07 GMT
Yeah, there seems to be some really conflicting info surrounding foreign player limits in the country. This one has the 5 tiers also. The 3+1+3 rule seems to be the most common one i can find reference to, however the Muangthong Utd website makes mention of a 5 foreigner limit, working in a 3+1+1 structure, but there's no date, so that might've been an older note. It's changed a lot over the years. It was 3+1+1 in 2018, I think, and now it's 3+1+3. So the 7 player limit is better, because it's an attempt to do that with the basic editor (I assume). I don't have my old editor files, so I can't pull up what I did back on TD, but I think the 3+1 limit at least was a straightforward option in at least the advanced editor. Really not sure about spots for players from specific countries though.
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 2, 2020 17:42:04 GMT
Yeah, there seems to be some really conflicting info surrounding foreign player limits in the country. This one has the 5 tiers also. The 3+1+3 rule seems to be the most common one i can find reference to, however the Muangthong Utd website makes mention of a 5 foreigner limit, working in a 3+1+1 structure, but there's no date, so that might've been an older note. It's changed a lot over the years. It was 3+1+1 in 2018, I think, and now it's 3+1+3. So the 7 player limit is better, because it's an attempt to do that with the basic editor (I assume). I don't have my old editor files, so I can't pull up what I did back on TD, but I think the 3+1 limit at least was a straightforward option in at least the advanced editor. Really not sure about spots for players from specific countries though. I don't think you could do it. You'd have to maybe create the ASEAN federation as a trade deal like the EU or Cotonou, and somehow have them as an exemption. Which I guess is possible in theory. but probably not in the editor? I might take a look in a second. So it'd be something like "Maximum of 7 Foreign Players" "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not including Asian Players) "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not Including ASEAN Players) I guess?
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Post by hokster on Jul 2, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
I don't think you could do it. You'd have to maybe create the ASEAN federation as a trade deal like the EU or Cotonou, and somehow have them as an exemption. Which I guess is possible in theory. but probably not in the editor? I might take a look in a second. So it'd be something like "Maximum of 7 Foreign Players" "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not including Asian Players) "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not Including ASEAN Players) I guess? Yeah, I agree. Maybe it's possible to identify specific countries that belong to ASEAN and exempt those? That might not be doable either. But in that case, I'd make it 3+4 so that at least those spots don't go outside of the rest of Asia.
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Post by hokster on Jul 2, 2020 17:53:42 GMT
I don't think you could do it. You'd have to maybe create the ASEAN federation as a trade deal like the EU or Cotonou, and somehow have them as an exemption. Which I guess is possible in theory. but probably not in the editor? I might take a look in a second. So it'd be something like "Maximum of 7 Foreign Players" "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not including Asian Players) "Maximum of 3 Foreign Players (Not Including ASEAN Players) I guess? Yeah, I agree. Maybe it's possible to identify specific countries that belong to ASEAN and exempt those? That might not be doable either. But in that case, I'd make it 3+4 so that at least those spots don't go outside of the rest of Asia. Ok, fair enough. I don't see any option to specify even not including Asian Players. So I think 7 foreign players is the best you can do.
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 2, 2020 18:15:17 GMT
Yeah, I agree. Maybe it's possible to identify specific countries that belong to ASEAN and exempt those? That might not be doable either. But in that case, I'd make it 3+4 so that at least those spots don't go outside of the rest of Asia. Ok, fair enough. I don't see any option to specify even not including Asian Players. So I think 7 foreign players is the best you can do. Yeah, I couldn't get access to the advanced rules without going through the whole scenario of actually creating a competition. But in the normal editor, it's definitely not a thing, which is odd because there's the exact same rule but for Yugoslavia as a default option. Ah well
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Post by hokster on Jul 2, 2020 18:19:27 GMT
Ok, fair enough. I don't see any option to specify even not including Asian Players. So I think 7 foreign players is the best you can do. Yeah, I couldn't get access to the advanced rules without going through the whole scenario of actually creating a competition. But in the normal editor, it's definitely not a thing, which is odd because there's the exact same rule but for Yugoslavia as a default option. Ah well Actually, nevermind, I found it. It's going to take me a while to spin back up to using the editor well, so maybe I should start playing around this version! The 3+1+3 rule is actually easy in the advanced editor. I'd have to test it in practice, but I think the rules would be: No More than 7 Foreign Players No More Than 4 Foreign Players Except Southeast Asian No More Than 3 Foreign Players Except Asian
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 2, 2020 18:21:35 GMT
Yeah, I couldn't get access to the advanced rules without going through the whole scenario of actually creating a competition. But in the normal editor, it's definitely not a thing, which is odd because there's the exact same rule but for Yugoslavia as a default option. Ah well Actually, nevermind, I found it. It's going to take me a while to spin back up to using the editor well, so maybe I should start playing around this version! The 3+1+3 rule is actually easy in the advanced editor. I'd have to test it in practice, but I think the rules would be: No More than 7 Foreign Players No More Than 4 Foreign Players Except Southeast Asian No More Than 3 Foreign Players Except Asian Ooh, check you. That's excellent. Gonna make a point of getting used to the advanced editor before next edition
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Post by hokster on Jul 2, 2020 18:51:29 GMT
Actually, with that in mind: is there a league someone would like me to make for this version? I do need to get back into the swing of the editor, since it's been so long. Maybe we need a new Editor's Hideaway for FM20...
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Post by Marshdweller on Jul 3, 2020 5:27:11 GMT
Actually, with that in mind: is there a league someone would like me to make for this version? I do need to get back into the swing of the editor, since it's been so long. Maybe we need a new Editor's Hideaway for FM20... Crazy idea perhaps, but would you consider making something like a Sicilian league? Off the top of my head I'm thinking of something similar in reputation to the Dutch or Portuguese leagues, very basic structure (18-20 teams per division), same restrictions as Italy, maybe a simple promotion/relegation play-off if they aren't too hard to implement. I've got a thing for Sicily but I find managing in Italy a little boring after a while.
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Post by Reiver on Jul 3, 2020 10:57:13 GMT
Actually, with that in mind: is there a league someone would like me to make for this version? I do need to get back into the swing of the editor, since it's been so long. Maybe we need a new Editor's Hideaway for FM20... Crazy idea perhaps, but would you consider making something like a Sicilian league? Off the top of my head I'm thinking of something similar in reputation to the Dutch or Portuguese leagues, very basic structure (18-20 teams per division), same restrictions as Italy, maybe a simple promotion/relegation play-off if they aren't too hard to implement. I've got a thing for Sicily but I find managing in Italy a little boring after a while. I'd cook that up for you quickly with no problem.
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Post by Marshdweller on Jul 3, 2020 13:53:56 GMT
Crazy idea perhaps, but would you consider making something like a Sicilian league? Off the top of my head I'm thinking of something similar in reputation to the Dutch or Portuguese leagues, very basic structure (18-20 teams per division), same restrictions as Italy, maybe a simple promotion/relegation play-off if they aren't too hard to implement. I've got a thing for Sicily but I find managing in Italy a little boring after a while. I'd cook that up for you quickly with no problem. That would be great, thanks! - I'd love to do it myself, but I've never even looked into creating my own leagues and competitions. Would you need a more detailed spec?
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 5, 2020 12:23:44 GMT
Sorry to break up all the editor talk, but I'm gonna get this thread back on track for a bit... Port FC 2023 SeasonSo I'd sort of brought it up earlier with the image I posted of all those lovely wins, but that we less than half way through the season and things can quickly go pear shaped in FM. Whilst our form did dip slightly in places, we maintained our form throughout the season and won the league by a comfortable margin. 78 goals scored and only 18 conceded was incredibly pleasing, but I also know that probably not something we'll be able to maintain, as players will come and go fairly often in this league, I imagine. Still, as far as first seasons go, you can't ask for much more than this. Domestic CupsNot something I ever really covered in Saudi Arabia, as they weren't deemed important, I'm looking to domestic cups as a key way of keeping the cash reserves up here in Thailand. Our cup form was also pretty strong, despite the poor FA Cup exit at the hands of Buriram. Losing the league cup final was tough, but having secured the league title the week previous, I wasn't going to let that get me down. Players, Transfers etcSo that was the transfer business for the season. Most of the incoming transfers were simply for quad depth and padding out weaker areas, whilst Naruebes Arewansuk is already on a pre arranged outgoing transfer after even he was deemed surplus by the end of the season. All players performed well, with Yotakok-Inthamat and Parinya Burapa particularly impressive, with Burapa ending the season as my top scorer. The outgoings were largely getting rid of the deadwood, whilst Sukprasert and Jae-Cheol were outgoing bosmans that were arranged before I took over. The two big outgoing deals were for Salee-Imaura and Sarot Jeepon. Both wanted to leave, and there wasnt much I could do as they entered the final years of their contract. Jeepon was out best player and scoring for fun before he left (21 in 15) but both players leave with a 50% future fee clause, which is a key thing for me. I can already cash out on Salee-Imaura for £820k, which is incredibly tempted, but I'm gonna let that run just now, because he's actually playing games, unlike Jeepon. Intake provided nothing of any real excitement with only Panu Lertlam-Chansiri being much to look at, and even he's not great with that negative personality either, but whatever. Off the pitch So we end the season on £1.1m, which is better than predicted, but that's due to prize money and player sales, which underlines the important of producing or buying young players that we can then sell on. Otherwise, well, we're fucked. I don't expect much from continental competitions, given we're in the harder of the two regions, so we need domestic prize money, player sales and sponsorships if we're to stay okay financially. I'd love to get a decent senior affiliate club, but I've had absolutely no luck with that on this FM. So yeah, there's not much else to say really. Thailand is fun, seasons are fairly quick (I've been away for a day or so) and players have long, complicated names that I can't remember.
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 5, 2020 14:42:27 GMT
Not interested in either, but it's nice to finally start getting some recognition as the best manager in the whole of Asia
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Post by Nick on Jul 5, 2020 15:34:59 GMT
Great season Dale, it's good to see you get back amongst the silverware after the last season at Al Ahly. It's a nice little challenge you have here because, as you allude to, it's probably going to get harder instead of easier. I imagine player turnover is going to be pretty high, which is a good test of your scouting and squad building skills.
Looking at the table the rest of the top half look relatively well matched. I don't know if that'll be good or bad with everyone taking points off each other (and potentially you too) but it shows that a good run of form over ten games can propel you right up the table.
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Post by Marshdweller on Jul 5, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Sorry to break up all the editor talk, but I'm gonna get this thread back on track for a bit... [ Yeah, sorry Dale ☺️
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 5, 2020 16:42:29 GMT
Sorry to break up all the editor talk, but I'm gonna get this thread back on track for a bit... [ Yeah, sorry Dale ☺️ Haha, it's all good. I'm just messing, I actually love mucking about with the editor anyway Nick cheers buddy! It was a great season and the first bit of actual fun I've had in the game since the first season in Saudi Arabia. It's going to be interesting with player sales and restructuring if that's something that I'll likely have t do. I've managed to get into the new season without losing anybody, but there was interest in a couple of players, just nobody decided to commit to a bid. That's both reassuring and worrying at the same time, because if finances get to the point that selling becomes a necessity, then I need teams to be proactively coming for my players, I dont want to disrupt morale too much by constantly offering out our better players. Regarding the league, I kept waiting for Buriram and Muanthong to get their shit together, but they just didn't. So I'm not sure if I'm in a league that's actually really evenly matched, or if I'm just riding a one season wave of luck before the historical big boys get their act together and get back to challenging, so we'll see what happens in this coming season.
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Post by chaodck on Jul 5, 2020 17:57:10 GMT
Good season there Dale!! Great to have you posting about the save and less of that editorial garbage that kidnapped the save (jk lads...). With that level of finances and the level of squad turnover do you think it'll be hard to repeat the title? The top midtable looks tight and I believe teams will be even matched in terms of quality specially if you're losing your top talent to european sides. Good luck mate.
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 5, 2020 18:26:06 GMT
Good season there Dale!! Great to have you posting about the save and less of that editorial garbage that kidnapped the save (jk lads...). With that level of finances and the level of squad turnover do you think it'll be hard to repeat the title? The top midtable looks tight and I believe teams will be even matched in terms of quality specially if you're losing your top talent to european sides. Good luck mate. That remains to be seen, I guess. We've started the season with two wins and a loss in the league. The loss was poor and neither of the wins were incredibly convincing, especially as one was a struggling 1-0 win against a newly promoted side. However, we didn't lose anybody key over the break, but we did bring in 4 new players, all of whom are in or around the starting squad, so maybe it's just a case of familiarity at this point. Thailand suffers from the same thing that quite a few smaller, more obscure nations which can produce good players, and this is somewhat of an exploit because FM doesn't handle reputation properly, but 3 of the 4 players I signed this winter break were Thai internationals, 2 20+ capped and one from the U-19s. All three had left their clubs, most likely because their reputations had outgrown the club, but none enough that they could get bigger moves elsewhere. So I signed all 3. They'll get exposure at international and continental level, which is the easiest way to increase interest in players from a nation like this, and I'll just have to rinse and repeat.
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 7, 2020 21:55:57 GMT
Every time I keep thinking "We're gonna lose the next one, surely" and then we don't. Then we lost to Guangzhou and I was like, "sure, that's us done now" and then we weren't. We'll definitely go out in the next round...or maybe we wont!
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Post by Nick on Jul 7, 2020 22:41:47 GMT
Name. On. The. Trophy
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Post by chaodck on Jul 8, 2020 1:30:01 GMT
Every time I keep thinking "We're gonna lose the next one, surely" and then we don't. Then we lost to Guangzhou and I was like, "sure, that's us done now" and then we weren't. We'll definitely go out in the next round...or maybe we wont! Dude if you don't win this trophy... I was gonna say you better start a new save, but you'll most probably do that either way
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 9, 2020 8:22:31 GMT
Nick chaodck Cheers lads I think it's unlikely, but we keep pulling out little victories where we have no right to. Perth Glory up next and if we beat them it's either Beijing or Shandong. Wanna guess what team is also in the 1/4 final in the other region? Haha!
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Post by Nick on Jul 9, 2020 8:25:04 GMT
I'm guessing it's a trip back to Saudi Arabia?
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 9, 2020 8:36:18 GMT
I'm guessing it's a trip back to Saudi Arabia? You would be correct. They finished 4th again last season, despite spending around £8m on new players, but they've managed to do okay in the Champions League. I don't think either of us are getting that far, but I'd absolutely love to play them in the final!
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Post by dalenichol on Jul 11, 2020 7:39:31 GMT
Port FC 2024 Season ReviewAfter such a dominant season last season, I wasn't quite sure what to expect this year as I was worried about the potential of it being a one off due to the bigger clubs in the league having poor seasons. However, it turns out that I'm pretty much just a tactical genius and nobody in the league had considered the benefits of the humble 442 in achieving domestic dominance! So we wrap up our second league title. The 5 point gap not quite as impressive as last season, but we were pretty solid throughout, despite losing yet more players throughout the season during foreign transfer windows. I've also reached the conclusion that neither Muangthong or Buriram are actually that good anymore, except for when they play us, because as you know, FM do be like that. 22 less goals scored this season (56 down from 78) but only 17 conceded, despite drawing 3 more games than we did last season (but keeping the same losses) shows that despite our lack of depth at times, we still had enough about us to go on and secure the league title. Domestic Cups:
Semi final defeats in both competitions is a bit gutting, but it is what it is and I wont complain too much. As an aside, I don't know why every cup competition in my game is formatted "1/4 or 1/2 de finale" but it happens in every competition. Asian Champions LeagueI thought maybe, just maybe, we could pull something out against Perth Glory but it just wasn't to be. However, if you'd told me at the start of the season that we'd have made it to the quarter final, I'd have laughed in your face, so there's that, at least! Off the pitch - Transfers etcAfter selling Sarot Jeepon to Porto last season, I'd been waiting for that buyout clause to become available. It had been sitting at £2.2m for a little while, which had tempted me a little, but when it went up to £3.86m I was always going to bite their hands off. In the long term, maybe it'll come back to bite me, but I'm more interested in the short term here for now. Between the Jeepon deal, prize money and selling Bordin Phala and Yotakot-Inthamat for £425k and £575k respectively, we now sit with a healthy bank balance of £6.7m. I'd imagine this makes us the richest team in the league, probably by a bit of a margin too. This is good because with a first team squad of 24, some of whom are leaving, and little to no talent in the youth ranks, I'm going to have to strengthen over the winter window. One of the exiting players is Lee Je-Ho, a fringe player from South Korea, which will free up one of the foreign player slots too, so that's a bit exciting for me! Going ForwardI hadn't thought too much about my long term plans when taking this job, but two league titles has got me thinking. I didn't think the Thai league would boost my rep all that much, but it is up to 3* now, so whilst I'm going to approach this upcoming season as one I fully intend to oversee, if the right job comes up, I'm definitely not against the idea of making another move during this save.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Jul 11, 2020 8:03:03 GMT
Nice season Dale, great to see you rocking it in Thailand! Are there any leagues in particular you'd be interested to manage in?
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