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Post by shrewnaldo on Jan 27, 2019 10:46:21 GMT
shrewnaldo - so the real question is, have you continued with the club side after the international sacking? I'm an avid twitter reader, although I don't use it for FM. No, I haven't. I thought about ploughing on and splashing that £90m on someone ridiculous but instead experimented with a 3-4-1-2. Didn't really grab me so now I've started with a new club-only save.
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Post by Ben on Jan 27, 2019 18:32:30 GMT
Missed opportunityAm I angry that I didn't pay the £5m to take him from Leiria a few years back? Probably. Does that mean there won't be more players who can make the same moves? Definitely not.
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Post by ianf on Jan 27, 2019 21:58:51 GMT
Lots of polishing to be done with those lads!
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Post by Ben on Jan 29, 2019 21:06:05 GMT
Lots of polishing to be done with those lads! 100%! I feel I have neglected individual training somewhat this year - so it's nice to have a couple of projects.
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Post by Ben on Jan 29, 2019 21:07:10 GMT
January 2033A fantastic month of free scoring football that has sandwiched a double header that probably has all but killed off any chance of finishing in the top three this season. I am beginning to experiment with different attacking roles used to expose areas in the opposition - such as the AP(s) or (a) when facing highly attacking wing backs or bringing the primary playmaker within the team back to the MC strata if the defence is overly deep or crowded. It was the former that led to a resounding cup win again Sporting, albeit largely their team of kids. I know they are a different team in the league but that, if anything, is the hope that we need to one day overthrow them. Eight seasons in the top flight and we are certainly the closest that we have ever been. I am unsure as to exactly what was to blame for the two Boavista games - just profligacy in the opposing area. Folha is finding his scoring boots again after a tough start to the season and it shows as we have roared our way back to the league top scorers but I do need to reign in the goals conceded column. In January, I also added this man - Carlos 'Nelly' Furtado for just £150k. He'd already made two appearances for Portimonense in this tier and is clearly already a special player. He's going to make the move to the first team over the next couple of years but I could haev a real star on my hands here.
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Post by Ben on Jan 29, 2019 21:41:59 GMT
(Probable) end of the road
This post nearly became something else. What started as a tactical masterclass has ended in what is probably our last home game in the competition this year. Man City are, obviously, a team full of talent, but it was their left back, Hallyson Carlos, that stood out to me. A complete wing back, who loves to get forward and also knocks the ball past his opponent. To counter the threat from him, I started full back Diogo Marques in the AMR role - as a W(s) but marking tightly and tackling hard, specifically on Carlos. Knowing he would be spending most of the time upfield - I then moved Andre Folha in to the STRC role as his normal PF(a). This then put him on the outside of the centre back and into the hole vacated by the full back. In my penultimate, I stuck Bento Raposo, the left centre back as a BPD and instructed the play to go down the left hand side, but with underlaps. This was a ploy to pull everyone over to the left and then allow the creative Mendoza (now an AP(A) to switch the ball into the big space left behind. It worked amazingly, we roared into a 3-0 league, Folha and Mendoza netting before half and AMC Guilherme scoring a great 'tactical' goal on the hour mark. I moved Folha back, lowered my line of engagement and attempted to soak up all the pressure. Two absolute screamers (and I mean that - they will probably both be in the running for Goal of the Tournament) and then a scrappy goal from a corner saw our lead eaten away. Sadly - I doubt we'll be able to do anything in Manchester but I feel like I'm getting a grip of what I want to be able to do tactically. On the other hand - our youth team seem to be doing pretty well...
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Post by Ben on Jan 30, 2019 20:40:01 GMT
February 203365 goals scored and 25 conceded this season - pretty much matched this month. Great going forward but often prone to falling asleep and conceding, normally when we've got a bit complacent. I need to spend another bit of time looking at how I approach the later parts of the game - changes that I make are currently mainly for injuries/yellow cards or giving youngsters minutes - maybe this will need to change as I continue to find ways in which to restrict and expose the opposition. I also will look at how I'm using shouts and team instructions - I often find myself going in for the kill when two or three goals up and this does leave us short on the break, at times. Never the less - we enter the final ten games of the season with an outside shot at the title. Given the huge similarities between the top three - I think a good season will see us win the league, whenever that may be, but then could quite easily finish fourth again the next season. I must say I'm really enjoying the challenge of trying to break them.
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2019 8:54:55 GMT
2033 Youth IntakeSomewhat disappointing, in comparison with the past two seasons anyway. Star of two years back, Guilherme Marques, is now a veteran of over 60 appearances for the club and last year's star, Tiago Silva, is already training with the first team and has had some, limited, minutes across nine games this season. I really don't see any of these players being able to reach that kind of level but have included the 'media description' column to the end of this screen - with a hint of a 'promising' player usually a solid indication into hopefully some good PA. We have a problem with determination in the squad - there are few outliers but the average is around 13 to 14 - so everyone seems to be dropping down to that level. Sadly, this intake will do nothing to improve that squad average and it is annoying that top prospect, Batis Balde, fits into that poor category. Determination aside, he's got a solid base but there is nothing overly mind blowing. He'll still get some time and focus on his development as it's an area that I don't have huge amounts of depth - particularly in wingers that work reasonably hard and for the team. Joao Rodrigues is the second player I've picked out - only because his heading is in double figures - a rarity I have found in my game. Sadly, he's very small for a centre back and cannot position himself. I'll get some scouts around to find out if anything good has been produced in Portugal this intake day.
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2019 10:14:18 GMT
March 2033No table this month as I've accidentally played into April... A valiant effort in Manchester makes me rue those wonder goals even more. We have, however, made the first knockout round of the Champions League in our first venture in to the competition - but sadly, it looks like likely that we won't feature next season, especially after the loss against Porto sees us drop back to ten points behind third placed Sporting.
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2019 19:09:02 GMT
Securing the next generation of Beira-Mar talentLooking back at my youth intakes - I would say I have been extremely lucky with the sheer amount of generational talents I have received. However, I have been somewhat disappointed with the spread of these and the lack of decent squad players (I mean squad player for a top four team rather than the fully youth only approach from the second and third tier). Looking at the first team players that have come through my academy - they aren't grouped together: Tiago Silva - 2031/32 Guilherme Marques - 2030/31 Pedro Tinoco - 2028/29 Vitor Pereira - 2027/28 Andre Folha - 2025/26 Francisco Bolas - 2025/26 Bento Raposo - 2024/25 Antonio Vieira - 2023/24 Whilst it is highly unrealistic that a team, in real life, would be able to secure a first team player each year for eight years (not that this is how their 'intakes' work but it shows that 2025/26 aside (where we also had Teles who is now one of the best players in Europe) we have managed to only produce a great talent and then not a lot else (the rest of the squad members are made up from imports from other academies). What is the cause of this? Facilities? Junior Coaching? Recruitment? May be - but that have all progressed over the past few years. One thing that has largely remained untouched is the youth staff. Below is the current set up: Tiago Rente. Clemente Dinis. Andre Gomes. Sao Garcia.Sao has been here since 2020 and she is the strongest youth coach I have, whilst manager Rente joined in 2022 so has coached all of these players at some point in their career. Dinis signed in 2025 and Gomes, by far the weakest, joined in 2031. These staff work with my HoYD, Matias Silvestre: Silvestre is a much closer fit to what I imagine is useful for a HOYD - his preferred formation nearly matches mine and his pressing style, mentality and marking style match my own. He is Argentinian but this has not allowed him to bring through a single dual nationality in his time here. The average determination of the group of youth coaches is just over 11 - a worrying trend even if that is offset slightly when including Silvestre, taking it just over 12. Two of the staff share a coaching style of 'Mental' whereas one is fitness and the other is goalkeeping. I have literally no idea what impact this has on players but there is obviously big gaps missing from the whole spectrum of styles. They average 12 in WWY, just over 12 in Discipline and just over 9 in Motivating. Again - unsure of this impact on generation but this is evident to me: The players in the youth team (Sergio Martins aside as I purchased him) like these coaches. Yet they aren't that great. What if I could get the best coaching team? Am I generating three of four good players a season but not having the correct people develop them? Maybe. Is this a risk I feel I can minimise? Definitely. I will attempt to revamp the youth training team over the summer and see what difference that makes.
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Post by Ben on Feb 3, 2019 17:48:48 GMT
April 2033One thing we are incredibly good at this season is scoring goals! 15 league goals in four games this month shows a tremendous return for the six players who have reached double figure this year. However - should we want to really challenge for honours, we must sort out our defensive frailties - a single clean sheet and two games, against poor opposition, where we have been beaten three times. It is lucky that we have the firepower to reverse that. I will look in a bit more depth at the exact reasons behind these goals and attempt to do something sooner rather than later!
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Post by Ben on Feb 3, 2019 20:32:51 GMT
2032/33 End of Season Update
Despite us dropping a place to fourth and, as such, losing entrance to the Champions League for next year, I feel very happy with what the season has taught me. I cannot remember the last time I have witnessed a team of my own score as freely as we have this season, breaking the league record for goals scored, despite not winning the league. I am, however, concerned at the sheer amount of goals we have conceded - whilst just over 1 a game isn't, at all bad, you only have to look at the top two - particularly Porto, to see that it is possible to score a decent amount and keep tight at the back simultaneously. The league has now very much become a four horse race and, although Sporting overtook us this season - we are still some distance from the top two. The margin of error is tiny, with Benfica losing just once all year, a 2-0 defeat against us early on in the season. Player wise - we are really making strides to get the best out of this group of players. Six players into double figures, two in their twenties and an excellent amount of assists for number 10, Guilherme. Braz has, once again, played every minute of the season but I have tried to rotate where possible. My dealings for the summer are already underway and this has seen the promotion of both Vargas and Silva to the first team and the relegation of a couple of players I hope to move on. The summer sees us attempt to rebuild the backroom, re-shape a little bit tactically and strengthen in one or two areas - expecting very little first team movement.
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Post by Ben on Feb 3, 2019 21:02:40 GMT
Evolving the playing styleI feel that, with my ongoing development and learning of the match engine and the continuous development of our playing squad and standing within the game, I need to ensure that I am making continuous movements with my playing style to ensure that I am moving forward on the pitch. I still want us to play a high pressure game when not in possession of the ball - the gegenpress style has served me well until this point and produces many chances to score lots of goals, which has been evident this season. However, I feel our play whilst on the ball needs to evolve. Below shows my thoughts on how it's changed so far in the game: The start of the game saw us able to win the ball back, play long balls and run after it - physical players in the lower leagues worked wonders and we got the ball wide and put teams to the sword. As we entered the top flight - we were able to counter teams that saw us as a weak link - this meant that we would play slightly deeper with a lower block and then use the pace and physicality, already needed for the off the ball style, to get the ball forward. Again, we could get away with weaker players who were physical. The next stage has been a fluid attacking style - teams are starting to get cautious but we can utilise having better players than their defenders and being able to pick out 'that' pass or move it around quickly and make them pay. I will, as I continue my search for the league title, face more and more teams that are parking the bus - Portugal tends to favour a 4-2-3-1, which in itself is attacking as it has nobody in the defensive strata - but this will entail two banks and full backs who do not commit forward. This will mean that I will simply be crowded out - my forwards are unable to find the space they need to work the magic. Therefore I need a deeper option to create chances and players further back who are good on the ball. On the pitch, this may see me using a DLP(d) or even a IWB(s) or (a) and ensure that recruitment and development for my defensive unit focuses on ball skills more so than before. I have also added another two attributes to the 'DNA' that I use - first touch and vision. Below is my squad, a few new signings short, with the new DNA shown: Pre-season will determine exactly how I utilise this kind of approach...
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Post by ianf on Feb 5, 2019 0:49:42 GMT
29 assists, wowza!
I actually think you would want it exactly as you have got it - a stud every year vs average squad players seems much more preferable to me 😉
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Post by Ben on Feb 5, 2019 18:25:01 GMT
Of course, Ian, but wouldn't a stud and then three or four solid players be even better? I'm literally finding that one person remains at the club a couple of years after the intake and that isn't good enough.
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Post by Ben on Feb 5, 2019 20:28:22 GMT
Pre-season 2033/34A difficult one for us - I've had somewhat of a clearout of my reserve team and those players struggling to get minutes in the first team - however, I haven't really replaced them and now am left with a group of really promising youngsters who I am not sure are entirely ready for the first team, yet. Firstly - here are the outgoings: The major money has come from the sales of Tiago Ricardo and Leonardo Ramos - both rotational options last year who just haven't played the minutes necessary. I have brought in a replacement for Ricardo but feel that the depth we have on the wings will, hopefully, cover the loss of Ramos. Want-away centre back Avalos moves to Spain and I am happy that, after a loan deal, I've picked up nearly £5m for a player I paid about £100k for. Jailson Schulle was an experiment that didn't work but has left me very depleted up front and youngsters Botelho, Laranjeira and Mendes all move on after failing to make the first team since coming through the academy. These players aren't exactly quality but I do feel that we are somewhat weaker as a squad, overall. Below are the incoming deals: A really disappointing window, to date. We have failed to make any dents in the market and it would seem that, even with a budget of over £100m, there just isn't to scope of players interested that I require. All of the free transfers are players for the youth team - potentially sellable assets in the future but I now have worries that we may be forcing our own youngsters out of the picture with ten or so of these players joining in the last two years. The only player for the first team is young Colombian, Juan Ramirez: I was a few days too late when I started my approach last summer as he moved to Roma on a long term loan deal. I made use of his £900k minimum release clause to ensure he'd sign at the end of his deal. Unfortunately, his time in the Italian capital was not hugely successful - 1 goal and 3 assists in 35 games at an average of 6.69. Whilst he is clearly already a very solid box to box player - my intention is to use the sale of right back Tiago Ricardo and the implementation of deeper creative players to use him as a playmaking wing back. He's a little on the small side (yet way bigger than 5'3" Ricardo) but has solid defensive attributes and some decent potential, according to the recruitment team. With his signing - this leaves my strongest XI looking like this: I do have some concerns about the age and experience of these players - with three of my back four having played less than 100 appearances and central midfielder Tiago Silva just making a dent, from the bench. I very clearly have a lot of quality here and these players are certainly good enough to make a mark in the league and potentially in Europe but the age of them is so young. I am a firm believer that consistency is built over a games early in their careers and these players just haven't had the experience, overall, at a higher level. Pedro Tinoco is a fine example of someone who has - he's played a year in the second tier, ripped it apart and now come back ready and performing really well. This is even more evidenced when you look at the other player within the first team: Very inexperienced and I'm actively searching for some loanees who will be able to provide cover whilst the likes of Vargas and Furtado earn their stripes in men's football.
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Post by Ben on Feb 7, 2019 21:24:21 GMT
Incoming Transfer - Cristián MedinaIn what was fast becoming my most disappointing transfer window in the last four of five years - I believe I may have pulled off a deal that could take this club to the next level. Cristian Medina joins from Racing, in Argentina, for his £3.7m minimum release clause, just a year after he was snapped up, for another release clause (£1.8m) from Colo Colo, in his native Chile. I had been watching him since I spotted him at the U20 World Cup back in 2031, where striker Franco Gutierrez was on my shopping list (I've now reminded myself to look again!). Medina sees me add an addition £2.1m on to my previous transfer record but some of my fans already seem against this: However - the beauty of this experiment is what I can possibly get from him. I don't see him as a Mezzala and I am stacked in the middle of the park but I believe that he is one of a few players in this current game world that is a) left footed b) over six foot tall and c) can head, tackle and pass. 13's and 14's aren't world class, by any stretch of the imagination but he's certainly good enough for this level and has the potential to develop some more - although I hope I don't take too long from his development time changing his position - remembering that he is not far from being 21. I plan to train him as a libero, as seen below and develop a trait that I really have always wanted, and always failed in defenders, to get him to bring the ball out from the back. Although he'll play as a BPD(d) - the LIB(a) role trains more of the style I want and his attributes fit that quite well (which may even see me go to a three at the back if I can use the libero to get him into those spaces for those ridiculous long shots!) Although we are only playing a friendly match against second tier affiliate Benfica Castelo Branco - I want to have a look at how he might fit in to this defence. Firstly - below is how I intend to line up. Xuxa is a relatively conservative left back and he already has the trait of 'plays on two's' - so I can see a nice little ball playing option down on the left flank where possible. Guilherme Marques is the 'natural' defender of the lot and his trait of 'stays back at all times' will allow Medina to move forward when possible. Ramirez, the signing mentioned above, has already ticked over to 'accomplished' at RB and he is bit more offensive - a good out ball for Medina. Medina, himself, lines up as a normal BPD(d) with the added 'dribble more' PI on him to hopefully get him bringing the ball out where possible. Whilst I had visualised the defensive mechanism - I had forgot to look ahead of Medina and how he would link with the midfield and beyond. The game started off reasonably well but this is what I saw, looking at the early analysis: The CM(d) is far too close to Medina to allow him to actually move forward with the ball. I am not someone who tends to make lots of changes over the course of the game but I did make one change - swapping the BBM(s) to the left centre and the CM(d) to the right centre. The first GIF below show the exact kind of movement that I want from Medina - picking the ball up deep and moving forward with it. I now need to address what he does with it - ideally picking out options and creating chances. The second example shows him picking the ball up from the goalkeeper, playing a one-two with Xuxa and then moving the ball across the field and wide to the right wing back. His movement has allowed us to switch play quite comfortably and this could be a major factor in breaking down stubborn lines of defence. Example 1Example 2He ended the game like this: His pass map, with orange being unsuccessful passes: His touches of the ball and average position within the game: Again - I must re-assure myself that this is pre-season against weak opposition but he's played exactly the game that I wanted to. I'm hoping there is more to come!
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Post by Ben on Feb 8, 2019 9:59:04 GMT
Oh Taulant Xhaka, if only you knew...
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Post by Ben on Feb 8, 2019 16:46:15 GMT
August 2033Historically, we have always started league campaigns in somewhat of a slugglish way and I think that this year is no different. Slask provided little challenge but we weren't even at our best in Russia against Zenit and a late equaliser has let us off against Porto. My biggest victory this month has been keeping my squad together - I've received offers of up to £25m for Xuxa, £30m for Raposo and nearly £50m for Valderrama (one such bid coming from Sporting who have just spent ~£50m on deadline day alone). Whilst the thinking behind this save has always been to allow a player to move on for the correct amount - I simply do not have the squad depth at the moment, and, despite possibly my strongest starting XI, I have the weakest U23 and U19 for some years.
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Post by ianf on Feb 8, 2019 18:48:38 GMT
Great insight as usual - will follow the "libero" experiment with interest
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Post by Nick on Feb 8, 2019 20:21:48 GMT
Just caught up, Ben - fantastic progress. Ramirez looks quality, but Medina is next level. Interesting concept with the ball player/libero - it'll be interesting to see how that develops.
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Post by Ben on Feb 8, 2019 22:38:52 GMT
Great insight as usual - will follow the "libero" experiment with interest Just caught up, Ben - fantastic progress. Ramirez looks quality, but Medina is next level. Interesting concept with the ball player/libero - it'll be interesting to see how that develops. Thanks lads. Strange one with Medina though - Retraining well: No sign of any attribute changes: But his attributes are all about 1 lower than when I first signed him. I wonder if that is the 're-arrangements' of attribute costs for positions?
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Post by Ben on Feb 8, 2019 23:32:05 GMT
September 2033
A very busy month for us which started off with a terrible performance at home to Guimaraes, who have started the season very well. Whilst I was rollocking the first team, my youth team comfortably beat Penafiel in the first of the group phase fixtures of the Taca da Liga. The first of our Europa League fixtures kicked off, with a fairly comfortable win in Kiev. A solid victory over Sporting and then two more league wins - the latter coming against a Lorenzo Insigne manager Setubal, who's default defensive formation is some kind of moronic 5-2-2-1-0 DM formation (literally a flat back five, 2 DMs, 2 wide midfielders and an AMC!) before a huge morale boosting victory against the Israeli champions.
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Post by Ben on Feb 9, 2019 12:28:46 GMT
October 2033An unbeaten month whereby I have continued to heavily rotate the squad through through selections and substitutions but it is becoming apparently clear that I do not have any kind of depth within my youth teams. I currently have ten players out on loan but only one of those has any real chance of breaking into the first team - Estevao who has moved to La Liga side Sociedad since the signing of Medina. The image below shows the depth of the combined U23 and U19 team, excluding those not at the club currently: Although a 3* player is certainly good enough to perform well within the league given my current level, there is very little star quality here. Granted, I do have 4 teenagers in the first team and a squad average age of just over 21 - but I have not really ever been in a position whereby I don't think that any of these players, Helder Teles aside, have any chance of making the first team and, in fact, have too many holes to really have any consideration of any minutes in the first team. I certainly need to minimise the amount of Non-EU talent I am signing as, when they arrive at the age of 18, are marginally better than my 16 year olds - meaning my own crop are not picked for matches, but are already two years further down the development line, stifling my players. My goal at the next intake is to take a bit more time to really micro-analyse each player and try and get the most out of them, because these lot are just bumbling along and will probably be released at 19 when their youth contracts expire. Back on the pitch- we continued our good Europa League form and a silly shout (we were 4-0 up and I said 'encourage' instead of 'praise') which angered my team and which I blame for the two silly goals against Chaves stopped us from nearly having a perfect month. The youth team struggled somewhat against Cova but I fancy our team to put a few past Academica, which, should we match the Cova score vs Penafiel, see us top the group.
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Post by shrewnaldo on Feb 9, 2019 19:24:18 GMT
I bought Max Wöber at Rapid, with his PPM of "brings ball out of defence" I was looking for something similar to your experiments but never managed anything beyond sporadic ventures into midfield. Hope you manage more consistent success.
I've also been using a libero with Sampdoria and would be interested to pair the two together, as you have suggested. I've found the hard-coded behaviour of the libero on attack pleasantly surprising in possession. He really gets into the areas that I'd expect him to, even over-taking a central midfielder on a defend duty.
Re your age problem - how do you think it manifests itself? Inconsistency? Failure to see a game out? Again, I have similar problems with a lack of leadership being a perennial issue.
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Post by Ben on Feb 9, 2019 22:48:18 GMT
I bought Max Wöber at Rapid, with his PPM of "brings ball out of defence" I was looking for something similar to your experiments but never managed anything beyond sporadic ventures into midfield. Hope you manage more consistent success. I've also been using a libero with Sampdoria and would be interested to pair the two together, as you have suggested. I've found the hard-coded behaviour of the libero on attack pleasantly surprising in possession. He really gets into the areas that I'd expect him to, even over-taking a central midfielder on a defend duty. Re your age problem - how do you think it manifests itself? Inconsistency? Failure to see a game out? Again, I have similar problems with a lack of leadership being a perennial issue. I've tried to teach it to defenders before but have never got it to work. However, judging from those GIFs, he does a decent job already - I am really intrigued to see how it goes. I don't want to pair him with a libero, but want to use this as a different approach. It's very Bielsa-esque but have a 3-at-the-back for when facing two strikers to a flat back four against 1 striker does appeal to me. You've seen my standard 4-2-3-1 but I could maybe line up like this: Yeah the issue I have with youth may be just a 'realism' kind of thing. These kids haven't played much, have no experience of these tough games etc but I cannot find players in their peak who are better than them for less than like £50m a pop. At the moment, I'm either stuck with using the youth or signing 35+ year old players for a final year in the sun type job. My lack of leadership on the pitch is abundantly clear too - my club captain has 17 for leadership but the usual match captain (club captain Vieira is now a backup option) has 13 for Leadership - not great!
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Post by Ben on Feb 9, 2019 22:54:53 GMT
November 2033Another really solid month for us with just the one blot on our copy book, albeit a defeat which already opens a large gap to the top of the league. We enter December with a perfect 100% record in the Europa League and into the sixth round of the Taca de Portugal, even if I had to bring on my bigger players to secure the second half victory. A late goal against Academica saved us from a surprise draw but we just didn't turn up against Benfica and Diego Costa, of all people, continues his fine start at the club.
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Post by Ben on Feb 10, 2019 10:22:29 GMT
December 2033A month in which we have certainly remembered how to score freely, at the cost of some clean sheets! The comfortably victory over Rio Ave, who have a new up-and-coming newgen manager who plays a 3-4-3/3-1-3-1-2 kind of shape and has made some incredibly moves in the transfer market, shows that we are strong enough to be able to finish third again this season, at worst. If we win our game in hand, we are only four points back from the big two with nearly half a season to play. The rest of the month saw some fantastic attacking play and I do feel somewhat for Portimonense, 13 goals in the space of 3 days!. We finish the Europa League group stage with a 100% record and are rewarded with a fairly comfortable tie against Kobenhaven in the first KO round. We do play Porto in one cup and Sporting in the other though, so those will be somewhat more challenging. I have very little in mind for January although there are a couple of areas I wouldn't mind strengthening - should the right player become available.
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Post by ianf on Feb 10, 2019 18:44:19 GMT
8-2? What a game!
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Post by Ben on Feb 10, 2019 20:19:36 GMT
Could have been plenty more, too!
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