FM21 Feature Reveal and Discussion

[Marshdweller]

Nov 16, 2020 9:08:11 GMT dalenichol said:

Cheers for the responses guys, appreciate it. I understand the implementation then, but I just don't think it's going to greatly impact how I play the game. I'm back on my Rangers save for the beta, so we're expected to win and expected to score goals, which we're doing. It is interesting to see though, that the leagues top scorer is scoring almost double his xG (Eamon Brophy, 21 goals 11xG) but my scouts just don't rate him. That scoring record does make him stand out as an interesting player though, especially as someone that'd be so cheap.

I'm a little late to the party, but from what I understand of xG, the fact that Eamon Brophy is overperforming and your scouts don't rate him makes perfect sense. Basically, he's in a run of unsustainably hot form and isn't as good as his scoring record suggests. You'll probably end up overpaying for him (if you were even thinking of buying him) and then he'll underperform for you. Think Daryl Murphy a few years ago - barely ever made it into double figures throughout his career and then suddenly scores 27 in one season.

[Mikey]

Nov 21, 2020 19:37:58 GMT Marshdweller said:

Think Daryl Murphy a few years ago - barely ever made it into double figures throughout his career and then suddenly scores 27 in one season.

Talking of Daryl Murphy, one an old FM game (when he was still at Arsenal) all my strikers were injured, and he came in and scored something like 10 goals in 5 games. I remember dropping him once Da Silva was back from injury because Murphy only had a 1 star CA. 

Guess he was just having a great run of form like Brophy is.

[dalenichol]

Thanks for the replies Marshdweller and Mikey

I understand where you're coming from...but could there not be a case for a player like that potentially being a diamond in the rough? I've moved on from that save as it was just a wee mess around with a team I'm comfortable with, but could there not be a point made (if he keeps it up in the 2nd season) that he's just found his level and his low xG is because he's playing for a weak Kilmarnock side? My scouts don't rate him because he's not better than my existing players on a technical/attribute based level, but he's just suited to this league? It's like that lad that plays/played for Newcastle that scores for fun in the championship but couldn't replicate it in the prem?

I don't think, I think I'm just trying to justify this feature being in the game before I just got back to ignoring it completely.

[jawzy]

Gayle that lad who was at Newcastle

top 10 from championship

[Marshdweller]

Nov 21, 2020 20:48:07 GMT dalenichol said:

Thanks for the replies Marshdweller and Mikey

I understand where you're coming from...but could there not be a case for a player like that potentially being a diamond in the rough? I've moved on from that save as it was just a wee mess around with a team I'm comfortable with, but could there not be a point made (if he keeps it up in the 2nd season) that he's just found his level and his low xG is because he's playing for a weak Kilmarnock side? My scouts don't rate him because he's not better than my existing players on a technical/attribute based level, but he's just suited to this league? It's like that lad that plays/played for Newcastle that scores for fun in the championship but couldn't replicate it in the prem?

I don't think, I think I'm just trying to justify this feature being in the game before I just got back to ignoring it completely.

I think if he over performed it for a long time (several seasons) there could be an argument that he is an elite finisher for that level, but if his attributes don't stand out then far more likely he will revert to normal levels, probably by having a terrible run soon. It might be interesting to sim a few more seasons and see what happens.

[Robson]

Development Centre? Thats new to me. Can you access youth squads directly down the left hand as you once used to or do you now have to click through dev centre?

[jawzy]

Only through the dev centre. (fm20 new feature that)

[chaodck]

Nov 24, 2020 16:05:31 GMT Robson said:

Development Centre? Thats new to me. Can you access youth squads directly down the left hand as you once used to or do you now have to click through dev centre?

Yes you can access the squads through the left-hand menu. I think you have to take control of something in them. I only have training under my control and I can see both the "B" team and the U-19's icon on my left sidebar.

[Marshdweller]

So, the key question for me - what's the match engine like compared to FM20?

[Robson]

Nov 27, 2020 19:35:23 GMT Marshdweller said:

So, the key question for me - what's the match engine like compared to FM20?

Hoping to find out very soon but I've only logged 8 hours of gameplay so far.  Will let you know when I get to a match.

[Robson]

Bit of praise. Analytics/analysis e.g. things like 'expected goals' is now a superb feature. Light years ahead of previous editions.

[Marshdweller]

So what's the general consensus on FM21 by now? I know you guys represent a small sample of FM players but I seem to be seeing a load more annoying bugs and things with FM21 where it looks like existing features have been messed up and new features poorly implemented, so I'm a little wary of starting a new save and getting invested in it if there are things that will ruin its longevity for me.

[Reiver]

Not perfect, but better than FM20. I personally enjoy the match engine a lot more. the only main beef I still have is that when defending counter attacks, the players in the back are too locked in to their positions, where sometimes a fullback tries to go back to defending their flank even though there's no threat there and they'd be a lot more effective by trying to close down a threat in the center or the other side.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I'm definitely enjoying it! Like Reiver said, the ME is better in my opinion as well. As with any new version, it takes some getting used to but the flow of the game feels good to me.

Something that is really bad and hopefully fixed in the next patch is this. It basically makes adding playable leagues totally broken. Other than that, I don't think I've encountered bugs that truly annoy me, other than the odd conversation with players or media, which I try to stay away from as much as possible anyway. 

[dalenichol]

Yeah, I'm finally starting to get into the game after not really having a desire to play it (not gameplay related) and it's good. Other than my own tactical shortcomings, the game is enjoyable and the ME seems...fine? I still find some little bits that annoy me so I tend not to watch the games as much, but that's always been the case for me.

[jawzy]

It was the ME that instantly won me over in the beta

[Marshdweller]

I'm mucking around with the start of a new save and I'm already getting a little annoyed with FM21. The team report comparison screen is broken (no values for best/worst in the division) and the biggest of all so far is that the start dates for the two seasons you can choose from for Finland are the same - the 2020 season starts on 13/1/2020 and the 2021 season also starts on 13/1/2020. I know this year has been challenging and it's impressive that they got a new game out at all, but these sloppy little mistakes with what seem to me to be the basics are in some ways more disappointing than a badly implemented new feature.

[jawzy]

Are you on Tuch with these issues? as mine seems fine.

Cnt comment on the team comparision screen as rarely use it, so wouldnt know if its any diifferent from previous versions

[Marshdweller]

No, full FM.



Maybe my database has got a bit screwed somewhow? Perhaps I'll uninstall and reinstall the game and see if that makes a difference.