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Post by Reiver on Nov 20, 2020 12:20:40 GMT
I had a nice season with Famalicão but issues in the portuguese leagues make me want to stop for now. I don't want to play in italy until the full game, any ideas for a fun little game in between?
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Post by dalenichol on Nov 20, 2020 13:24:01 GMT
Haha, I've just started in Italy in what I'm hoping will be my first "proper" game. I'm not sure enough is going to change, except the editor, and I can't be fucked with another 4 days of Rangers. Not sure on ideas for you Reiver but maybe one of the super clubs for a fuckaround? or China and it's millions for a few days?
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Post by Reiver on Nov 20, 2020 13:33:22 GMT
I don't even want to play in the lower leagues of Italy, I just want them on to replicate what I was doing in FM20. My problem is that most of the games I wanted to play need the Editor - Portuguesa in Brazil, for example. I might give MLS another shot.
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Post by jawzy on Nov 20, 2020 18:47:29 GMT
For few days, ill just suggest a random intenrational manager stint. with Aguilla? lowest ranked side at start of db
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Post by Mikey on Nov 21, 2020 7:24:00 GMT
Reiver If you're after a challenge until the full game comes out, Wycombe is a good choice. They have never been in the Championship before and are easily the worst side in the league, should be a fun challenge. I'll have a save with them myself at some point, always enjoy challenges.
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Post by jawzy on Nov 21, 2020 22:03:23 GMT
Chelsea beat me in Europa League final to secure champions league football.
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Post by Mikey on Dec 1, 2020 23:14:26 GMT
I'm currently managing Elgin City in Scotland. I was going to create a career thread to go along with the save but 1. I'm currently in the process of moving homes, so I'm going back and forth between the place I currently live at and my new property to get decorating done etc. and 2. I'm too lazy haha.
Only played 3 pre-season friendlies atm, mainly because I spent hours sorting out the set pieces. I lost my first friendly in charge but won my last 2. I'm scoring lots of goals but I've conceded in every game, although the last match was only because of a penalty and I'm adamant my player won the ball.
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Post by Mikey on Dec 3, 2020 20:57:05 GMT
Sorry for the double post but I'm delighted with this! Lowest ranked team in our group. Beat Ross County, Dundee and East Fife.
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Post by dalenichol on Dec 4, 2020 7:49:29 GMT
'Mon the Elgin! You might be a bunch of cheuchters but you beat Dundee, so you're alright in my book.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Dec 12, 2020 11:02:13 GMT
Since the release I have been enjoying playing with my favourite team PSV Eindhoven a lot. We won the league in each of the 3 seasons I've played so far, and especially the last 2 have been a cakewalk. After the first year I sold Dumfries and Malen for a combined €149m, so I haven't been exactly strapped for cash, and it basically allows to buy loads of young talent. I noticed it's pretty easy to lure away amazing talent from South America, especially given there are no restrictions in the Netherlands to signing these, other than waiting till they turn 18 to actually add them to the squad. Going into the summer transfer window after the third season, I've sold for a ridiculous €622m, and bought players back for €313m, leaving an insane transfer budget. In Europe we have done well too, winning the Europa League in the first season and making it to the Quarter and Semi finals in the CL in the 2 next years. We even overtook France for the 5th place in the coefficients ranking, but I have to thank other teams for that too. Ajax made it too the Europa League final as well in the second season, and AZ won the Conference League the year after. Feyenoord and Utrecht have been pretty solid too. FM legend Sebastiano Esposito has been tearing it up as an advanced forward in my 4-2-4! The stadium is being expanded, and we'll play in the Johan Cruijff Arena of Ajax next year, which would certainly never happen in real life.
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Post by chaodck on Dec 12, 2020 15:56:03 GMT
Great to see you playing Dirk Nowitzki, albeit being a shorter term save. Any plans on something more long term? Or do you plan on sticiking with PSV for a while?
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Dec 13, 2020 11:38:09 GMT
For now I'm really enjoying this, but I can see my interest in this save quickly disappear if I win the CL. I think I could push for this by just spending all of the €442m transfer budget I have now after selling Sergio Gomez for €101M to Chelsea haha. He was an amazing free pickup after the first season. However, I'd rather just develop some of the amazing talent there is in the squad though, and win with them.
But yeah, after this save I'm certainly on the lookout for a more long term save, starting lower down, but I don't really have an idea yet. Perhaps Austria Klagenfurt in the second tier in Austria.
Do you have a save going on currently?
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Post by chaodck on Dec 13, 2020 16:02:35 GMT
For now I'm really enjoying this, but I can see my interest in this save quickly disappear if I win the CL. I think I could push for this by just spending all of the €442m transfer budget I have now after selling Sergio Gomez for €101M to Chelsea haha. He was an amazing free pickup after the first season. However, I'd rather just develop some of the amazing talent there is in the squad though, and win with them. But yeah, after this save I'm certainly on the lookout for a more long term save, starting lower down, but I don't really have an idea yet. Perhaps Austria Klagenfurt in the second tier in Austria. Do you have a save going on currently? Yes I do mate. I'm finishing the first season (a fucking crazy season) with Argentinos Juniors playing in a YDWAWK style without doing any transfers. It's been a wild ride, but a fun one and I expect to do a proper post once I finish the season probably tomorrow or Tuesday. Don't know if it'll stick, but I'm having fun right now.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Dec 13, 2020 18:13:53 GMT
Yes I do mate. I'm finishing the first season (a fucking crazy season) with Argentinos Juniors playing in a YDWAWK style without doing any transfers. It's been a wild ride, but a fun one and I expect to do a proper post once I finish the season probably tomorrow or Tuesday. Don't know if it'll stick, but I'm having fun right now. That sounds cool! Does Argentina still have the weirdness of changing the league format on a yearly basis or have they finally settled for something?
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Post by Mikey on Dec 13, 2020 18:41:18 GMT
I'm currently managing Elgin City. I did start with them first, but went on a terrible run and couldn't find a tactic to work, so stopped and started a save with my hometown club, Gillingham.
I was enjoying it until all my players needed a rest due to the demand of matches in the League, and we were only 15 matches into the season. I quickly scraped that, and went back to a Elgin City save using a basic 4-4-2 this time, having used a few different formations last time. I'm on an 11 match unbeaten run and really enjoying the save, remarkably we went 8 games in a row winning and yet even though we are top we are only a couple points ahead of 4th.
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Post by jawzy on Dec 13, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
Yes I do mate. I'm finishing the first season (a fucking crazy season) with Argentinos Juniors playing in a YDWAWK style without doing any transfers. It's been a wild ride, but a fun one and I expect to do a proper post once I finish the season probably tomorrow or Tuesday. Don't know if it'll stick, but I'm having fun right now. That sounds cool! Does Argentina still have the weirdness of changing the league format on a yearly basis or have they finally settled for something? it will go crazy until there is 20 teams in the top tier to play 38 games a season, iirc thats 23/24 it calms down
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Post by jawzy on Dec 13, 2020 20:07:19 GMT
And I guess I will be doing my usual Newcastle save soon. team I really enjoy on FM.
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Post by Marshdweller on Dec 13, 2020 21:25:02 GMT
I'm currently managing Elgin City. I did start with them first, but went on a terrible run and couldn't find a tactic to work, so stopped and started a save with my hometown club, Gillingham. I was enjoying it until all my players needed a rest due to the demand of matches in the League, and we were only 15 matches into the season. I quickly scraped that, and went back to a Elgin City save using a basic 4-4-2 this time, having used a few different formations last time. I'm on an 11 match unbeaten run and really enjoying the save, remarkably we went 8 games in a row winning and yet even though we are top we are only a couple points ahead of 4th. Did you get Touch in the end? How are you finding it?
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Post by chaodck on Dec 13, 2020 22:27:41 GMT
Yes I do mate. I'm finishing the first season (a fucking crazy season) with Argentinos Juniors playing in a YDWAWK style without doing any transfers. It's been a wild ride, but a fun one and I expect to do a proper post once I finish the season probably tomorrow or Tuesday. Don't know if it'll stick, but I'm having fun right now. That sounds cool! Does Argentina still have the weirdness of changing the league format on a yearly basis or have they finally settled for something? It's a fuckfest of a league. I'll go on detail on my post, but there's two leagues in the first season, a 23-match normal league where you face each other team once, then a League Cup, with all 24 teams split into two groups, where you play each team on your group once then top two qualify for semifinals and then the final. Plus the Argentine Cup (normal format), Copa Sudamericana and Libertadores. So yeah, it's been a neverending year.
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Post by Mikey on Dec 13, 2020 23:58:37 GMT
Marshdweller - I did! It's perfect for me. Just finished my first season actually. Gutted!
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Dec 30, 2020 8:28:33 GMT
After various struggles to get into saves in Poland (won the league way too easily with Pogon Szczecin in the first season) and Portugal (game breaking bug when adding leagues), I went down to the Vanorama National League North and took over York City. They are one of the better teams on that level, and while we were pretty inconsistent and really struggled to score at times, we got the job done. Our 3-5-2 turned out to be very solid defensively and helped us concede 30 goals less than the next best defense, which made up for being pretty average in attack. So now we are up to the 5th tier, and going through some of the teams the step up doesn't seem that big. I strengthened the team with 11 free players, mostly released by teams from higher up in the pyramid, and let about half my team in the first season go. One of the additions is Alfie Payne, who I saw in Essexman's Braintree thread. The tactic has been set up more adventurous for this season, becoming basically a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond, but with advanced wingbacks. We are predicted to finish 8th, so I expect a decent challenge for the play-off spots, and perhaps more, given how few points were necessary to win this league last season (78).
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Post by essexman on Dec 30, 2020 13:21:19 GMT
Hoping my latest tactic change will keep producing the results for me. I started with a 4-4-2, it was working but we were rarely scoring, winning games either 1-0 or 2-1, then went on a 5 game losing streak so changed to a 4-1-2-2-1, again worked but we rarely scored, a 3-3 draw with Welling the only game we scored more than twice. I decided to change it again to a 4-3-2-1 and first game we beat St Albans away 5-1. Fingers crossed, it keeps performing like that!
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Post by Marshdweller on Dec 30, 2020 21:54:52 GMT
After various struggles to get into saves in Poland (won the league way too easily with Pogon Szczecin in the first season) and Portugal (game breaking bug when adding leagues), I went down to the Vanorama National League North and took over York City. They are one of the better teams on that level, and while we were pretty inconsistent and really struggled to score at times, we got the job done. Our 3-5-2 turned out to be very solid defensively and helped us concede 30 goals less than the next best defense, which made up for being pretty average in attack. So now we are up to the 5th tier, and going through some of the teams the step up doesn't seem that big. I strengthened the team with 11 free players, mostly released by teams from higher up in the pyramid, and let about half my team in the first season go. One of the additions is Alfie Payne, who I saw in Essexman's Braintree thread. The tactic has been set up more adventurous for this season, becoming basically a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond, but with advanced wingbacks. We are predicted to finish 8th, so I expect a decent challenge for the play-off spots, and perhaps more, given how few points were necessary to win this league last season (78). I'm seeing a lot of people using 3-5-2 this version and being successful, which has piqued my interest. Would you mind doing a little explainer of your tactic please? I'd love to get a 3-5-2 working but it's not a shape I'm familiar with so I never know if players are taking up sensible positions etc.
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Post by Reiver on Dec 30, 2020 23:32:25 GMT
I can give you a quick idea of mine, though it always depends on the players you have, don't try to shoe horn players into positions you don't have. Bear in mind for spoilers, because I am a bit ahead of my last post on my actual save. Bear in mind, I'm no tactical genius. This is how I play right now with YSCC. A fairly standard GK; 3 at the back - here, what I'd love to have is 2 normal defenders, and a libero on attack - he would move up the field, occupying almost the same space as a DLP on the DMC spot, giving my midfielders or even wingbacks a passing option, and a very easy way to quickly move flank or find a through ball - this worked great in my last FM20 save with FC Südtirol. But at the moment, I don't have a defender I trust to do that, so that is a no go - I might try it out in games where I am a lot better than the other team and they are only playing with one striker only. More than anything else, my wing backs should have good stamina and good pace for the league - they're going to have to run up and down the flank all game long - at this level all else I ask is that they are decent at both defending and passing/crossing. The BWM provides me with stability in midfield, and the mezzala interacts with the AMC and the Wing back. Depending on how their midfield is working, I might swap their sides. The AMC main job is to work between lines, providing through balls or distribute the ball around. In my front two, I have a traditional Targetman and a brazilian that is an amazing header and has a lot of flair. The Targetman's job is to receive the ball and either try to score, or if he is not in the best position to do so, get the ball to the AF for him to finish the job, or if there's no line of pass, to hold the ball and get it to him or to the AMC , Mezzala or Wing backs for them to find an alternative. We play through the middle and have early crosses set to try as many balls to the targetman or AF as possible. Does it work? Some times. It's worked enough for us to have performed above expectations last season - though our format in the front was different, as we didn't have the Brazilian guy yet. With this rambling what I mean to say is - try to find what works with your team - if you have good headers, take advantage of that; if you have a guy with 17 on free kicks, play for that. See what things your players are good at, and try to make sure you don't have players doing things that don't go with each other - for example, if I tried to have a Libero on attack with a DMC on DLP, they'd just be trying to be in the same spots doing the same thing while I was with the ball, they'd just be in eachothers way.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Dec 31, 2020 8:48:10 GMT
This is how my 3-5-2 was set up. There are no player instructions other than roaming for the front 3, and move into channels for the AMC. The roles are a bit less adventurous than Reiver's. The DLP(d) is on the side of the most offensive wing back to keep the defensive stability, and to link up the back 3 with the rest of the team. I too would rather have (several) ball playing defenders at the back, but at this level they are not really capable to do so. Or actually, I don't trust them to do so. We press quite heavily, even though I don't think the formation is necessarily very suited for that, but pressing seems overpowered in FM. The rest of the team instructions are set up with the idea to play out of the back, but do so with urgency. We average a lot of possession (59% this year, but with a slightly different tactic shown below), but we tend to not score our goals from long build up's, but rather from quick passing moves and counter attacks. Up until about FM17/18 I always used a Trequarista in the AMC slot as they were very effective, but I have fallen out of love a bit with the role over the last few iterations of the game. You could experiment with the role of the second striker, but I absolutely love the advanced forward role to lead the line in a front 2. Across my PSV save where I deployed a 4-2-4 and this save with York, the advanced forward averaged over a goal a game I think. I wasn't completely happy with the tactic since we really struggled to score, so I moved up one of the defenders to the DM slot. This obviously makes it not a 3-5-2 anymore, although I'd imagine it functions quite similar (in possession at least) as a 3-5-2 with a Libero. This allowed for the midfield roles to be more attacking, and it has certainly helped to make us more potent in attack, while giving up a bit of defensive stability. After 37 games in the Vanorama National League, we are sitting at 87 goals scored and 22 allowed. This has worked well for me, but I'm not a tactical genius. I tend to just stumble onto something that works, and then use it as a framework for other tactics too. For instance, the team instructions in these tactics shown are the same as for my 4-2-4 at PSV.
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Post by Reiver on Dec 31, 2020 23:35:37 GMT
when it's the last ten minutes and you're losing so you go gung-ho pumping balls to the front, sometimes it works.
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Post by jawzy on Jan 1, 2021 2:47:53 GMT
Didnt Kerlon once be on the books for MYFC?
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Post by Marshdweller on Jan 1, 2021 12:11:49 GMT
Thanks Reiver and Dirk Nowitzki, some food for thought there. As I said, it's not a formation I'm familiar with, so when I'm watching the highlights I'm never as confident knowing who should be doing what, especially without the ball, e.g. if we're up against a 4-4-2 and therefore the wing-back has two wide players to deal with, I'm not sure whether it should be the CM from that side or the CD who should be helping him out. Also, I've read that it's not a formation that suits a high press, and yet you're both using one with success, so I'm even more uncertain about it all
I'll just have to bite the bullet and try, fail, and try again.
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Post by Reiver on Jan 1, 2021 12:33:33 GMT
To be fair, the high press on my side is a remnant from when I played with a libero and had a very high defense line to make him go further up the field. It's working so only change it on games where we're really not having our way.
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Post by Marshdweller on Jan 1, 2021 13:03:23 GMT
Again, this is something that frequently confuses me with FM. One article/blog I read mentioned about it being unsuitable for a high press and another I have just read deliberately pushes everything up the field because they say that with 8 players in the midfield strata or deeper, it can easily be too passive as a formation.
The lesson here is surely that I should stop reading other peoples' opinions of how a formation 'should' play and just muck around on my own until I find something that works.
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