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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 11:29:46 GMT
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Post by jawzy on Feb 23, 2021 15:52:45 GMT
If anyone is interesed, based on Dirk's post, first test is positive: I have created a team just like Athletic Bilbao, but for Catalan players. fmNow catalan challenge
3rd tier of spain
New club or just putting the rules into a tier 3 existing catalan side
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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 16:08:27 GMT
I'm tempted to recreate Olot with this - they're a real life 3rd division club that only signs catalan players. That isn't in game, but it can be now.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Feb 23, 2021 17:10:12 GMT
Does it actually work? I made Tirol into a country in the same way the Basque country is set up in the editor, stretching over Austria and Italy, and then a team in Austria that could only sign players from Tirol. This didn't work though, I believe they could still sign all Austrian players, but no Italians with Tiroler as their second nationality IIRC. The only way it would work for me is if you would make a Tirolean league system and put them in there, but that defeats the purpose a bit. So far I only had it work with an entire country, which I'm currently setting up in Brazil.
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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 17:17:43 GMT
Get me the tirolean database and I'll see if i can make it work. This was a very quick test, i literally started the game and immediatly tried to sign a catalan player (worked) and a non catalan player (didn't work)
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Feb 23, 2021 17:33:20 GMT
Did you use an extinct country to create Catalonia? I used Czechoslovakia for this. And do you have Catalonia as a country with a national team, or just like the Basque region? I'll upload it soon, testing something now.
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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 17:39:13 GMT
Created Paysos Catalans from CIS. Went to local regions, and changed Catalonia, Andorra, Valencia, the Baleares and a newly created region of Northern Catalonia in France to this country - this will make regens have the nation as a second nationality. Added CIS second antionality to all players from the area. On Bermuda, set it with Spain as the nation and the continental cup nation, but put CIS as Based Nation. This way it let me hire only Catalan players.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Feb 23, 2021 17:46:00 GMT
There is something odd with the translations as well haha. It only works in English. Austrians with the Tiroler second nationality can be signed and Austrians can't be signed as it should be. However, Italians with the Tiroler second nationality can't be signed. I also don't understand why it shows the second nationality on the information screen only for Italians, while in the squad overview it shows it correctly. Maybe it simply struggles to do this with multiple countries, I might try to set it up quickly with Corsica. This is the Tirol database: www.mediafire.com/file/fp6adxp4colh88p/Tirol_4.fmf/fileI gave the team the imaginative name Athletic Tirol.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Feb 23, 2021 17:48:35 GMT
Created Paysos Catalans from CIS. Went to local regions, and changed Catalonia, Andorra, Valencia, the Baleares and a newly created region of Northern Catalonia in France to this country - this will make regens have the nation as a second nationality. Added CIS second antionality to all players from the area. On Bermuda, set it with Spain as the nation and the continental cup nation, but put CIS as Based Nation. This way it let me hire only Catalan players. Seems like we did pretty much the same. Are you able to sign French/Catalan players, if there are any?
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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 17:59:25 GMT
I had not tried that before, am testing now.
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Post by Reiver on Feb 23, 2021 18:02:19 GMT
NO, i couldn't make this work either
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Feb 23, 2021 18:30:55 GMT
I have it working fine now with Corsica. It seems that regions work totally fine, which I thought wasn't the case at first. They just can't cross any borders unfortunately. I don't have the database anymore, but I had also tried it with putting Bermuda Hogges in Belfast, while participating in the Premier League. They were supposed to only sign Northern Irish players, but this didn't work at all. Probably due to the England/UK stuff where Northern Island is not seen as a foreign country. Anyway, I had just settled on creating a team in Brasilia since there is a huge stadium there and 3 million inhabitants, but no team higher than Serie D. My new team would also start in Serie D, I even made a logo already haha. But now that regions seem to work, I'm not so sure anymore because it opens op possibilities...
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Post by dalenichol on Feb 28, 2021 17:56:27 GMT
Ah I miss the days of messing around with the editor and doing this sort of thing. I really aint finding the the time for FM these days with other games grabbing my attention but these projects have intrigued me. I'll maybe see about fixing something up soon
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Post by ttgb on Mar 3, 2021 10:12:30 GMT
The thing that now puts me off is the money. I like to start small and slowly build things up but a season of European football ruins it.
Currently playing as Aberystwyth in the Welsh league. First season I won the league. I lost the qualifying games in each of the CL, Europa and conference leagues. Took my finances from nothing to over £500k. Next season I manage to get into the conference league group stage which is a bit unrealistic in itself but never mind. Knocked out of the group stage but my Europan venture (including losing the qualifiers in the CL), mean I am sitting on over £5m.
Usually in these games I like to raid the free market, picking up youngsters that are released from the English leagues and turning their career round which hopefully results in a transfer back to the bigger leagues. I currently have a young English keeper that looks good enough for the lower English leagues and there is a bit of interest from Championship side. His value is £500, what is the point of me looking to sell when I have £5m in the bank and can't really sell it. That early European run may end up ruining this save.
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Post by jawzy on Mar 3, 2021 12:06:30 GMT
upgrade those facilities, welsh facilities should still be UK inflated prices, cost to run should be pretty high to thus you will need that european football to support.
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Post by chaodck on Mar 3, 2021 13:18:51 GMT
The thing that now puts me off is the money. I like to start small and slowly build things up but a season of European football ruins it. Currently playing as Aberystwyth in the Welsh league. First season I won the league. I lost the qualifying games in each of the CL, Europa and conference leagues. Took my finances from nothing to over £500k. Next season I manage to get into the conference league group stage which is a bit unrealistic in itself but never mind. Knocked out of the group stage but my Europan venture (including losing the qualifiers in the CL), mean I am sitting on over £5m. Usually in these games I like to raid the free market, picking up youngsters that are released from the English leagues and turning their career round which hopefully results in a transfer back to the bigger leagues. I currently have a young English keeper that looks good enough for the lower English leagues and there is a bit of interest from Championship side. His value is £500, what is the point of me looking to sell when I have £5m in the bank and can't really sell it. That early European run may end up ruining this save. As a sidenote, there's a mod at the Editor's forum at SI that regulates the finances for the game, making them more realistic. It's pretty interesting, I've been using it on my La U save, and it's made amounts offered even from high profile clubs for my players be much more realistic than on other versions. Still I have nothing to compare to, but it's worth taking a look. community.sigames.com/forums/topic/547523-fm21-fm-expansion-packs-megapack-realism-dynamics-hard-mode-more-build-your-own-fm-updated-225-for-213-patch/Actually, on that thread there's a lot of interesting mods that can spruce up a rather boring save. The one I'm talking about is on the realism section and it's called "Better-Than-Default Transfer Values". From those mods I'm also using "Realistic Transfer Preferences", "Media Overhaul", "Smarter AI", "A Bit Better Manager Tactics", "Award Overhaul", "Realistic Competition Colors", "Realistic Weather" and "Derbies Overhaul".
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Post by ttgb on Mar 3, 2021 19:39:15 GMT
The thing that now puts me off is the money. I like to start small and slowly build things up but a season of European football ruins it. Currently playing as Aberystwyth in the Welsh league. First season I won the league. I lost the qualifying games in each of the CL, Europa and conference leagues. Took my finances from nothing to over £500k. Next season I manage to get into the conference league group stage which is a bit unrealistic in itself but never mind. Knocked out of the group stage but my Europan venture (including losing the qualifiers in the CL), mean I am sitting on over £5m. Usually in these games I like to raid the free market, picking up youngsters that are released from the English leagues and turning their career round which hopefully results in a transfer back to the bigger leagues. I currently have a young English keeper that looks good enough for the lower English leagues and there is a bit of interest from Championship side. His value is £500, what is the point of me looking to sell when I have £5m in the bank and can't really sell it. That early European run may end up ruining this save. As a sidenote, there's a mod at the Editor's forum at SI that regulates the finances for the game, making them more realistic. It's pretty interesting, I've been using it on my La U save, and it's made amounts offered even from high profile clubs for my players be much more realistic than on other versions. Still I have nothing to compare to, but it's worth taking a look. community.sigames.com/forums/topic/547523-fm21-fm-expansion-packs-megapack-realism-dynamics-hard-mode-more-build-your-own-fm-updated-225-for-213-patch/Actually, on that thread there's a lot of interesting mods that can spruce up a rather boring save. The one I'm talking about is on the realism section and it's called "Better-Than-Default Transfer Values". From those mods I'm also using "Realistic Transfer Preferences", "Media Overhaul", "Smarter AI", "A Bit Better Manager Tactics", "Award Overhaul", "Realistic Competition Colors", "Realistic Weather" and "Derbies Overhaul". Thanks, will bear thus in mind for future saves.
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 9, 2021 21:07:08 GMT
To see how I got on with the game, I've done a Touch save with Forest. Finished 3rd and won the play-offs, so into the Premier League at the first time of asking, but the Brexit work permit situation is proving a pain in the arse with regard to signings. I messed around with tactics throughout and missed a couple of key aspects of the game as this isn't really a key save, but I'm on better terms with FM21 now and I'm looking at where to go and whether to stick with Touch or go back to full FM.
One of the other problems I've had with this version is that I have simply had too many ideas for saves to settle on one and stick with it. I thought about another save with Volendam or if I wanted to stay in the Netherlands but try a different club then FC Utrecht, then I wanted another bash at taking a Sicilian club to the top in Italy. I was also struck by the thought of seeing if I could turn IFK Malmo from fourth tier semi-pro to the biggest club in Malmo. I want to manage in Iceland and have vaguely considered doing the latter two together as part of a Nordic journeyman in which I aim to win the league in each of the five Nordic leagues. I also wanted to manage Forest, so at least I've ticked that one off!
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Post by Robson on Mar 10, 2021 22:56:21 GMT
That's great Marshy.
I think though, when all is said and done, this probably is the shittest version of FM in recent memory. We've covered many gripes in this thread - but it comes down ultimately to a gut instinct. We have all asked the questions - is it immersive? Does it suffer high expectations from being the lockdown version? Are any of us enjoying long term saves the way we have before?
I reckon the answers are no, no & no. It either lacks a thing at its core that's hard to define, or its simply little bits of lots of things. For me however, nearly 4 months post release, FM21 gets 4 out of 10. I struggle to think of a year when I would have scored it lower this far in.
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 11, 2021 20:41:45 GMT
I agree with your comment - I think what gets to me is the sheer number of bugs and things that have made it into this final version. I've commented sympathetically before that it must have been a huge challenge to produce a new version during the last year, but then I would have suggested that they avoided making the COVID changes (e.g. keeping to a normal calendar, not messing with the transfer values etc.) and instead made a game that was basically FM20 plus better match engine etc.
Last night I settled on the idea of a Nordic journeyman. Finally picked a team and started playing. Four games into the pre-season, I get a crash dump and had to play the fourth match again. I NEVER had a crash with FM20 and I'm now apprehensive about sinking too many hours into this edition only for some glitch to bring a save to a premature end. I know I keep flip-flopping back and forth on this, but I am very close to abandoning FM21, going back to FM20 until FM22 is on the horizon.
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Post by jawzy on Mar 11, 2021 22:47:25 GMT
That's great Marshy. I think though, when all is said and done, this probably is the shittest version of FM in recent memory. We've covered many gripes in this thread - but it comes down ultimately to a gut instinct. We have all asked the questions - is it immersive? Does it suffer high expectations from being the lockdown version? Are any of us enjoying long term saves the way we have before? I reckon the answers are no, no & no. It either lacks a thing at its core that's hard to define, or its simply little bits of lots of things. For me however, nearly 4 months post release, FM21 gets 4 out of 10. I struggle to think of a year when I would have scored it lower this far in. my Rocket league expirence suffered this past year. I struggled to focus on the game. my life and job still required me to be out and about in the physical world. people would be at home potentially binging more hours on said game getting better. suddenly it fely my mmr wasnt in the right place, was it my mentals taking dive or was it simply im now crap compared to everyone at my rank. Epic took over and made it free to play part way through the last year, my relation with rocket league over the winter changed again as influx of players stormed and again, start questioing my ability to play and mentals losing focus in game=, some of the friends I played with had also spoke about simular feelings, and still to this day i and people i have played with over the years share simular expirences. nothing about the game has per se changed between 2016 and present day. But life has massively for alot of people, even mewho on the face of it all through lockdown 1 my day to day life hadnt changed.
but then businesses and the sorts have been blaming the pandemic for short comings. And it does feel people are getting tired of this exvuse for apperent shitness within companies.
Is it because FM strives for realism but decides to take away something for sake of enjoyment means it has become very disconected ( i know somone has tried to modify coronavirus as an injury into the game) And also seeing crowds within the stadiums again causes a detacthment from a game that tries to strive for realism, sure the game would probably feel worse than ever when compared to other versions if they tried to implement something based on the season just gone
If and when the TV rights financial bubble collapses, does fm suddenly move away from impacted finances becuse it would take away from enjoyment?
The uncertainty of brexit and the type of brexit you would get really shouldnt of beenin the game until this version when there is a more defintive idea what it holds for football, but even then the average armchair football watcher or gamer seems confused about it having an impact on the game as we know it. And is feeling a disconect to how FM and brexit this year has changed the game, especially as majority of players try to play within england because of comfort and knowledge.
But it has felt atleast forum activity wise even over on SI the repeat rinse nature of yearly releases and not masses really changing has reduced activity over there and defo here too!
Cant really say if there is simular activity when looking at steam and youtube because I not actively looking at the activity and numbers over a wide range of time.
But take the pandemic and brexit away from everything, and even take FM out the picture. Were you actually enjoying football or the team you support or followed? or were you especially if its a bigger club you follow or watch becoming incrediably frustrated with everything going on off field and on the field.
One of my biggest bugbears with football these last few years has been household names or the idea of world class players, to me it has felt outside of Messi and Ronaldo, there has been a lack when compared to the 90s of household known world class players. that in itself has annoyed me, as we know there are good players out there but are they getting the attention they deserve. Having FM has defiently helped me know of players outside of the ronaldo/messi and England and the champions league
Though im gonna guess teenage 90s me followed Italian football due to C4 and obviously england, and a slight lack of insane nutty world record breaking players to me didnt seem to exist, so good players were actually spoken about more
I think im now babbling into nonsense, get back under the rock!
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Post by jawzy on Mar 11, 2021 22:55:52 GMT
I agree with your comment - I think what gets to me is the sheer number of bugs and things that have made it into this final version. I've commented sympathetically before that it must have been a huge challenge to produce a new version during the last year, but then I would have suggested that they avoided making the COVID changes (e.g. keeping to a normal calendar, not messing with the transfer values etc.) and instead made a game that was basically FM20 plus better match engine etc. Last night I settled on the idea of a Nordic journeyman. Finally picked a team and started playing. Four games into the pre-season, I get a crash dump and had to play the fourth match again. I NEVER had a crash with FM20 and I'm now apprehensive about sinking too many hours into this edition only for some glitch to bring a save to a premature end. I know I keep flip-flopping back and forth on this, but I am very close to abandoning FM21, going back to FM20 until FM22 is on the horizon. That could and would of been amazing, but at the same time would you of been feeling a lack of detachmebt from what is going on?
I was questioning at the time during spring and summer 2020 if FM21 was actually gonna be released, I had actually mentally prepared self to have a prolonged stay with FM20, which even pre release of fm21, I was strugling to connect with too.
Should I abandon and head back to FM19, I fear I still may suffer from the inability to get into a save. Going back to the classic CM01/02 with thos nostalgic glasses on isnt enough to dive into a save and make it stick.
FM22, will I miss or get - mind is saying probably miss but ill probably end up getting. maybe later in the year when its cheaper?
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 12, 2021 8:54:07 GMT
Two great posts jawzy! I'm not one of the people who really pushes for realism in Football Manager, for a number of reasons. Firstly, how realistic is it that some players manage to take a team from the Vanarama North/South to Champions League glory inside 10-15 seasons? The point of the game for me is dream fulfilment NOT 100% replication of real life. On the flip side, if replication of real life was the goal of SI, then I would be tempted to start noisily campaigning for the game to include COVID, mental health problems, racism, homophobia, match-fixing and other forms of corruption, recreational and performance-enhancing drug use, death of both in-game players and their non-in-game loved ones as something that affects development and performance and many other things because all of these things are present in reality but SI for various (probably very good) reasons has chosen not to include them. So for me, having a normal fixture calendar, fans in the 3D stadium view and finances that work consistently with previous versions would not spoil the game for me. In fact, on the contrary, they would probably make it more attractive as an escape from the way the world has been over the last 12 months. I also agree with your point about disaffection with football in general. I'm a little fed up with a lot of the off-field stuff that now comes as part of the package of being a football fan. I'm tired of the fact that Forest seem to have become a millionaire's plaything over the last decade where, like in FM, the only measure of success is Premier League football at any cost. The money in the game spoils both real football and FM for me to an extent and that extent grows slightly every year. I think the fact that FM21 has a rejigged financial section to mimic the impact of the pandemic brings this to the forefront and spoils things a little for me.
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Post by Reiver on Apr 15, 2021 13:30:04 GMT
I-m having problems connecting to a save at the moment, playing 2 seasons and then not feeling it anymore and jumping to another new game.
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Post by jawzy on Apr 15, 2021 21:24:22 GMT
I-m having problems connecting to a save at the moment, playing 2 seasons and then not feeling it anymore and jumping to another new game. I have been like this the whol wa through, even in the late fm20 cycle too.
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Post by Marshdweller on Apr 16, 2021 8:32:08 GMT
I've had that too - given the amount of time needed to really get into a save, I find myself demotivated unless it's certain clubs and then I realise that I'm just cycling through the same three or four teams. I have about a dozen three-star ideas for saves and then once I've set them up I realise I don't care enough about the team I've chosen to invest the time. I must have started and abandoned 20 saves since January, in some cases only to go back to the same team and try again only to abandon it again.
I'm certainly finding that Touch is the way forward for me, but I don't know if I'll even bother with FMT22 or just plough on with FMT20 for a while.
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Post by chaodck on Apr 16, 2021 13:58:58 GMT
I-m having problems connecting to a save at the moment, playing 2 seasons and then not feeling it anymore and jumping to another new game. It's the same for me, I'm struggling to advance in the game. In my first save I only got to the second season, in the second save, I ditched it in the pre-season of the third year. Now I'm playing a third save, finishing year 1 but it's taken way too much time to get through the first season, I don't know why, the game is faster, but I seem to take forerver in advancing, procrastinating when I'm playing, watching a series, or videos or reading.
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