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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 8, 2022 13:20:27 GMT
What's the general consensus of opinion? Is FM22 worth getting? I've got back into full FM20 recently and, inspired by Forest doing pretty well in real life, I've been tempted to start a new Forest save. So, should I invest £40 in FM22 or stick with FM20 or 21?
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Post by jawzy on Mar 8, 2022 18:14:37 GMT
Lack of activity here and tbh over on siforums
does it mean fm22 is bad? or worse vs other fms
alot of us had issues with fm21, and it seems the desire to play and invest time into the 22 version has also came along.
I actually like fm22, but its just my interest in actual football has drastically reduced
remember you should be able to get a refund from steam if you dont go ober 2,0 hrs playtime. so you got a 1.9hr full fat demo to potentially decide
but if your back in lovewith fm20, id say stick with it the falling in and out of love with this title is now a thing.
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 8, 2022 18:36:57 GMT
Thanks Jawzy. I've started a quick save in FM21 and I'm reminded of a few things I didn't like there now (the new in-match layout for one!), so perhaps sticking with FM20 is the best bet. Alternatively, I might give the FM22 demo a concerted go and see if I get hooked, and then wait for a Steam sale.
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Post by jawzy on Mar 8, 2022 22:21:44 GMT
Thanks Jawzy. I've started a quick save in FM21 and I'm reminded of a few things I didn't like there now (the new in-match layout for one!), so perhaps sticking with FM20 is the best bet. Alternatively, I might give the FM22 demo a concerted go and see if I get hooked, and then wait for a Steam sale. in that case you wont like 22 lol as its same as 21 iirc |
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 8, 2022 23:19:27 GMT
They're pretty much all much of a muchness now I feel. The only differences being slight UI tweaks and, for me at least, an increasing difficulty spikes when it comes to tactics, it seems you really need to be far more in depth now, which really pushes away more casual football fans like myself, I feel.
I play the game here and there, but tend to go back to CM01/02 for my fun management fix if that's what I want. I do have an enjoyable now 9 season long save in Poland going currently, but even then I'm not playing that half as much as I normally would with FM.
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 24, 2022 13:09:03 GMT
The tactics issue is the big thing for me too. What really gets to me is that I go looking for inspiration/advice on youtube or similar and some people seem to be able to throw a tactic together without too much thought or consideration for whether it fits the squad they've got and it gets them back-to-back promotions or unbeaten seasons, and I just go for a simple, logical system and I get my arse handed to me on a plate repeatedly.
I think the more I've played this game, the less confident I am with tactics. Maybe I just need to go back to the ignorance-is-bliss stage and all will be well... high-tempo, sjort-passing, wide, attacking 4-4-2 here I come!
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 24, 2022 21:50:08 GMT
The tactics issue is the big thing for me too. What really gets to me is that I go looking for inspiration/advice on youtube or similar and some people seem to be able to throw a tactic together without too much thought or consideration for whether it fits the squad they've got and it gets them back-to-back promotions or unbeaten seasons, and I just go for a simple, logical system and I get my arse handed to me on a plate repeatedly. I think the more I've played this game, the less confident I am with tactics. Maybe I just need to go back to the ignorance-is-bliss stage and all will be well... high-tempo, sjort-passing, wide, attacking 4-4-2 here I come! I've been playing CM01/02 again for the last fortnight and it's just...fun. Took Doncaster from the conference to the prem in successive seasons, my team is full of a bunch of regens of the likes of Romaro, Hasselbaink, Blanc, Aaron Winter and a few others, with a 37 year old Rivaldo ripping shit up and it's just a silly fun way to spend time. And I've been thinking for the past few days that I'd like to come back to FM for a more serious game, either go back to my Polish save or more likely start a new save and i've just sat staring at the game start screen trying to figure out where I'd want to begin, and I'm already dreading it, because I know that I'll spend time thinking about a team or searching out an xml for a custom league, only for the game to end in an hour when my tactic inevitably fails because I haven't set one specific PI for a player and therefor the entire team forgets how to play football |
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Post by jawzy on Mar 24, 2022 22:38:48 GMT
Ive still had most fun outside of europe on fm22.
But its still a struggle to find something to grip me for atleast 2 seasons
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 25, 2022 19:31:27 GMT
The tactics issue is the big thing for me too. What really gets to me is that I go looking for inspiration/advice on youtube or similar and some people seem to be able to throw a tactic together without too much thought or consideration for whether it fits the squad they've got and it gets them back-to-back promotions or unbeaten seasons, and I just go for a simple, logical system and I get my arse handed to me on a plate repeatedly. I think the more I've played this game, the less confident I am with tactics. Maybe I just need to go back to the ignorance-is-bliss stage and all will be well... high-tempo, sjort-passing, wide, attacking 4-4-2 here I come! I've been playing CM01/02 again for the last fortnight and it's just...fun. Took Doncaster from the conference to the prem in successive seasons, my team is full of a bunch of regens of the likes of Romaro, Hasselbaink, Blanc, Aaron Winter and a few others, with a 37 year old Rivaldo ripping shit up and it's just a silly fun way to spend time. And I've been thinking for the past few days that I'd like to come back to FM for a more serious game, either go back to my Polish save or more likely start a new save and i've just sat staring at the game start screen trying to figure out where I'd want to begin, and I'm already dreading it, because I know that I'll spend time thinking about a team or searching out an xml for a custom league, only for the game to end in an hour when my tactic inevitably fails because I haven't set one specific PI for a player and therefor the entire team forgets how to play football
I'm completely the same. I'm hooked, but I also dread it. I have started so many Forest saves lately, on different versions of the game but each time I lose a couple of games on the trot I get that sinking feeling. I've got to the point where I doubt every decision I make!  Part of the problem is that when things start to go wrong I go on the internet looking for answers and find so much contradictory information that I don't know what I'm doing.  |
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 25, 2022 20:50:35 GMT
I've been playing CM01/02 again for the last fortnight and it's just...fun. Took Doncaster from the conference to the prem in successive seasons, my team is full of a bunch of regens of the likes of Romaro, Hasselbaink, Blanc, Aaron Winter and a few others, with a 37 year old Rivaldo ripping shit up and it's just a silly fun way to spend time. And I've been thinking for the past few days that I'd like to come back to FM for a more serious game, either go back to my Polish save or more likely start a new save and i've just sat staring at the game start screen trying to figure out where I'd want to begin, and I'm already dreading it, because I know that I'll spend time thinking about a team or searching out an xml for a custom league, only for the game to end in an hour when my tactic inevitably fails because I haven't set one specific PI for a player and therefor the entire team forgets how to play football
I'm completely the same. I'm hooked, but I also dread it. I have started so many Forest saves lately, on different versions of the game but each time I lose a couple of games on the trot I get that sinking feeling. I've got to the point where I doubt every decision I make!  Part of the problem is that when things start to go wrong I go on the internet looking for answers and find so much contradictory information that I don't know what I'm doing.  Yeah, that never helps. And the online guides always make it so easy..."so all I did was create this simple 4231 with no instructions and I won every trophy in 2 seasons". I have to prep for nightshift, so I need to try and pull an all nighter tonight, so I've started a save in Ghana with WAFA SC seeing as there's a working megapack now, so we'll see how that goes! |
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 25, 2022 21:46:26 GMT
I'm completely the same. I'm hooked, but I also dread it. I have started so many Forest saves lately, on different versions of the game but each time I lose a couple of games on the trot I get that sinking feeling. I've got to the point where I doubt every decision I make! Part of the problem is that when things start to go wrong I go on the internet looking for answers and find so much contradictory information that I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, that never helps. And the online guides always make it so easy..."so all I did was create this simple 4231 with no instructions and I won every trophy in 2 seasons". I have to prep for nightshift, so I need to try and pull an all nighter tonight, so I've started a save in Ghana with WAFA SC seeing as there's a working megapack now, so we'll see how that goes!
Or the fact that some seem to be able to create any style of play with almost any formation, using any team (though I suspect a lot more thought goes into it than they let on...) and be successful.... "Today I will win a domestic treble with 1860 Munich inside 3 seasons using an ultra defensive 2-6-2 with no PIs".
Also, the way that the big-name FM players all have completely different approaches. Rashidi seems to fill his teams with PIs, from what I remember Cleon doesn't bother with set pieces, Keysie Rensie keeps TIs and PIs to a minimum but goes really deep on the set pieces. I suppose it just shows that there's many ways to skin a cat. And then there's videos on YouTube full of "NEVER use this TI!"-type advice.
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Mar 26, 2022 20:02:32 GMT
This may be just another advice, but I feel like you don't need tons of (player) instructions to do well. It's a bit dull perhaps, but pressing hard get's you pretty far. Combine it with sensible roles (I've always liked this guide: community.sigames.com/forums/topic/513829-pairs-combinations-the-ultimate-guide-released/) and you should be fine. I feel like it's really hard to do well consistently playing defensive, so I've just gone with what generally worked for me. Often I even just recycle my best tactics from previous FM's. I haven't gotten far into saves unfortunately, but in my limited playing time this set of instructions has done well for me in 2 different formations. No PI's are being used.   This also worked perfectly fine in Iceland and Macedonia:  I tried going defensive in the Beta but we were just toothless, so upping mentality to positive and pressing harder did the trick:  |
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Post by Marshdweller on Mar 26, 2022 22:05:27 GMT
To be honest Dirk, one of the things that has got to me about the last couple of versions of FM is that tactics that worked in one version are much less successful in the next (and I'm talking about pretty generic tactics, rather than something carefully tailored to a specific set of players). I've never used many PIs, mostly because I forget they're there most of the time!
I've decided to try going back to basics and ignore all the stuff I've read (at least, all the stuff which is basically "you MUST do X" or "NEVER do Y") and start again with my tactics. I've made some simple changes to the FM20 tactic I am using and it's suddenly much more solid and even a little more effective going forwards.
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 30, 2022 4:45:45 GMT
Ghana was a bust, so it's back to the proverbial drawing board once again. Yaaay!  |
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Post by Dirk Nowitzki on Mar 30, 2022 16:15:06 GMT
To be honest Dirk, one of the things that has got to me about the last couple of versions of FM is that tactics that worked in one version are much less successful in the next (and I'm talking about pretty generic tactics, rather than something carefully tailored to a specific set of players). I've never used many PIs, mostly because I forget they're there most of the time! I've decided to try going back to basics and ignore all the stuff I've read (at least, all the stuff which is basically "you MUST do X" or "NEVER do Y") and start again with my tactics. I've made some simple changes to the FM20 tactic I am using and it's suddenly much more solid and even a little more effective going forwards. Hmm I feel like the ones that were good for me last year are still good, although admittedly, I only played a few seasons across different saves. The transfer from FM20 to FM21 was more difficult now I think about it, I don't think I used the same tactics to much success that time. Anyway, totally agree that you are best off ignoring these extreme MUST/NEVER advices. Anything can work in the right situation and combination of instructions. Some things are just easier to get right (or right enough to win games) I think. |
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Post by chaodck on Mar 30, 2022 17:15:37 GMT
Ghana was a bust, so it's back to the proverbial drawing board once again. Yaaay!  Nothing like the smell of a brand new FM save to rekindle one with the game. |
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Post by jawzy on Mar 30, 2022 22:08:38 GMT
Ghana was a bust, so it's back to the proverbial drawing board once again. Yaaay! is there an african nation with relaxed player rules officially? and is there a xml that is true. |
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 31, 2022 4:38:07 GMT
Ghana was a bust, so it's back to the proverbial drawing board once again. Yaaay! is there an african nation with relaxed player rules officially? and is there a xml that is true. I was hoping that's what Ghana would be. I have since started a new save, playing 1 game and winning it convincingly, so you know, all is good with the world again jawzy, as for your question I'd be lying if I said I knew the answer. I don't think any African nation has relaxed player rules, but I would need to check. Some of the more reputable leagues such as Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt would be the most likely to have slightly relaxed rules, but every African nation that I've played in, if memory serves me right, has had a limit on foreign players, with no nations treated as non foreign. As far as rules are concerned, I honestly wouldn't know. I think most of the league structures, teams and colours are correct because I know that Dave (the guy who makes the megapack I use) takes a lot of time to go through this stuff. Not sure on finances, but I imagine they're as realistic as can be expected, |
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Post by jawzy on Mar 31, 2022 10:05:23 GMT
One of the ones i got from steam workshop for cameroon iirc has around 5 nations treated as non foriegn.
Didnt dr congo irl have a large influx of non drc players. But does have a weird structure.
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Post by dalenichol on Mar 31, 2022 16:44:18 GMT
One of the ones i got from steam workshop for cameroon iirc has around 5 nations treated as non foriegn. Didnt dr congo irl have a large influx of non drc players. But does have a weird structure. I'd need to load up all the african leagues again to check. (I'll do that in a moment an update this post, got time to kill before work) DR Congo used to have an odd structure, with 2 to 3 different groups, but it's now a standard league, 16 teams and 30 games, which is nice. * edit: You're right, Cameroon has 5 foreign player limit and 5 nations non foreign (equatorial guinea, gabon, congo, chad and CAR) but has a two group top tier. Angola has 5 foreigners, Algeria 2, DR Congo 8, Egypt 4 (but all north african nations except sudan are non foreign), Ghana 5, Morocco 5, Senegal 3, SAfrica 5, Tunisia 4 No restrictions in Nigeria or Ivory Coast, lots of money in DRC with TP Mozembe and Vita Club. That's it for most of the bigger leagues |
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Post by jawzy on Mar 31, 2022 22:05:23 GMT
One of the ones i got from steam workshop for cameroon iirc has around 5 nations treated as non foriegn. Didnt dr congo irl have a large influx of non drc players. But does have a weird structure. I'd need to load up all the african leagues again to check. (I'll do that in a moment an update this post, got time to kill before work) DR Congo used to have an odd structure, with 2 to 3 different groups, but it's now a standard league, 16 teams and 30 games, which is nice. * edit: You're right, Cameroon has 5 foreign player limit and 5 nations non foreign (equatorial guinea, gabon, congo, chad and CAR) but has a two group top tier. Angola has 5 foreigners, Algeria 2, DR Congo 8, Egypt 4 (but all north african nations except sudan are non foreign), Ghana 5, Morocco 5, Senegal 3, SAfrica 5, Tunisia 4 No restrictions in Nigeria or Ivory Coast, lots of money in DRC with TP Mozembe and Vita Club. That's it for most of the bigger leagues Egypt, Nigeria or DRCongo it is then, with the megapack? |
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Post by dalenichol on Apr 1, 2022 9:28:19 GMT
I'd need to load up all the african leagues again to check. (I'll do that in a moment an update this post, got time to kill before work) DR Congo used to have an odd structure, with 2 to 3 different groups, but it's now a standard league, 16 teams and 30 games, which is nice. * edit: You're right, Cameroon has 5 foreign player limit and 5 nations non foreign (equatorial guinea, gabon, congo, chad and CAR) but has a two group top tier. Angola has 5 foreigners, Algeria 2, DR Congo 8, Egypt 4 (but all north african nations except sudan are non foreign), Ghana 5, Morocco 5, Senegal 3, SAfrica 5, Tunisia 4 No restrictions in Nigeria or Ivory Coast, lots of money in DRC with TP Mozembe and Vita Club. That's it for most of the bigger leagues Egypt, Nigeria or DRCongo it is then, with the megapack? I use this megapack, which is still a work in progress: www.fmscout.com/a-around-the-globe-fm22-leagues-megapack.htmlYou'll need to switch to the winter update database for it to work (not the most recent patch, the one that came shortly before it...22.4?) I think that DR Congo could be interesting, both of the two mentioned clubs have about 6m in the bank but with fairly hefty wage budgets, comparatively speaking. Egypt have the two historically big teams alongside the upstart(ish) Pyramids FC. Nigeria have lots of solid team choices, less money but with a very solid regen spread, although Egypt likely trumps them on regen quality, it's more specific to Ahly and Zamalek, with a few more at Ismaily |
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Post by chaodck on Apr 1, 2022 16:15:14 GMT
Egypt, Nigeria or DRCongo it is then, with the megapack? I use this megapack, which is still a work in progress: www.fmscout.com/a-around-the-globe-fm22-leagues-megapack.htmlYou'll need to switch to the winter update database for it to work (not the most recent patch, the one that came shortly before it...22.4?) I think that DR Congo could be interesting, both of the two mentioned clubs have about 6m in the bank but with fairly hefty wage budgets, comparatively speaking. Egypt have the two historically big teams alongside the upstart(ish) Pyramids FC. Nigeria have lots of solid team choices, less money but with a very solid regen spread, although Egypt likely trumps them on regen quality, it's more specific to Ahly and Zamalek, with a few more at Ismaily You can re-verify the files in the editor yourself to make them compatible with the latest patch (if they contain no errors). |
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Post by dalenichol on Apr 1, 2022 17:31:56 GMT
I use this megapack, which is still a work in progress: www.fmscout.com/a-around-the-globe-fm22-leagues-megapack.htmlYou'll need to switch to the winter update database for it to work (not the most recent patch, the one that came shortly before it...22.4?) I think that DR Congo could be interesting, both of the two mentioned clubs have about 6m in the bank but with fairly hefty wage budgets, comparatively speaking. Egypt have the two historically big teams alongside the upstart(ish) Pyramids FC. Nigeria have lots of solid team choices, less money but with a very solid regen spread, although Egypt likely trumps them on regen quality, it's more specific to Ahly and Zamalek, with a few more at Ismaily You can re-verify the files in the editor yourself to make them compatible with the latest patch (if they contain no errors). I had considered that but wasn't sure if it was a long process? There's the best part of 100 or so files. But it's fine really, I don't think the most recent patch changed all that much, as far as I could see? |
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Post by chaodck on Apr 1, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
You can re-verify the files in the editor yourself to make them compatible with the latest patch (if they contain no errors). I had considered that but wasn't sure if it was a long process? There's the best part of 100 or so files. But it's fine really, I don't think the most recent patch changed all that much, as far as I could see? Oh yeah that'd take a while. Normally it's 2-3 minutes per file. |
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Part of the problem is that when things start to go wrong I go on the internet looking for answers and find so much contradictory information that I don't know what I'm doing. 
Part of the problem is that when things start to go wrong I go on the internet looking for answers and find so much contradictory information that I don't know what I'm doing. 
